24.11.06

SuperPost: Fangirl vs. Puckbunny

Settle in, my friends, this is a long one...

This blog was referred to as a puckbunny blog not too long ago and I instantly took offense. I got really angry and couldn't understand why at first. When I thought back to the beginning it may have seemed that way but I did set the record straight in the next post. Instead of posting in anger, I enlisted the help of my fellow hloggers to determine the difference between a fangirl and a puckbunny. Karissa did remind me that "once we put ourselves in a public forum, I suppose we open ourselves up to some negative comments," and I agree, I was just surprised that someone did take the time to write it. And to the one who said it, I know we've cleared things up and I am happy for the opportunity to talk about the perception of female hockey fans, hereby known as fangirls.

Fangirls are fans who are girls. Simple, right? Apparently not. Some of us have encountered less than stellar reactions for liking hockey and being able to appreciate the fact that the game is played by men, some of whom are good looking. Sherry says, "There's nothing wrong with commenting on how a player looks, heck, you're a female, you have eyes and hormones. It's just a part of life and it shouldn't be off limits just because it's a sport. There are some guys that just aren't comfortable with the fact that some girls can enjoy the game just as much as they do for the right reasons." There are some girls out there who are hardcore fans and would not even think of looking at a player as a piece of eye candy.

Jordi "reckons gender is such a petty thing sometimes, sure when it's in good fun it's fabulous but when someone goes 'What do you know? You're a girl.' I sort of cringe. But with the way I see it, if a female sports fan wanted to be recognized as an actual fan that's not just casual, however keep a certain individuality - fangirls seems to be the way to go."

At the beginning of the year, for laughs, I started the All-Hot Pool and Christy was a little unsure of how it would look. I assured her that it was all in good fun and we talked about being anti-puckbunny in the comments (things changed a bit once she started to lead though!). When the question of what the difference was between a puckbunny and a fangirl, she replied, "A puckbunny (in my eyes) is someone who likes hockey because of the guys- either they want to sleep with them, date them, etc. They may enjoy the game of hockey, but the reason they are there isn't for pure enjoyment of the sport. A fan girl is someone who appreciates the sport of hockey and that's what she's drawn to. Sure it doesn't hurt that there are some cute/hot hockey players, but she keeps watching the game because of the big hits, skill, puck play, speed, etc. not because she hopes to hook up with a player, any player." Sounds good to me.

Talking to any of us, you might be surprised that we know a lot about the game and can carry on a conversation with any other fan. Colleen says, "A puckbunny is some chick that will talk about the players anatomy THE WHOLE GAME and then do anything to get downstairs after a game, find out where the players are staying, or try in any way to meet up with them with the intention of trying to hook up with them. A fangirl is a chick that will read the pregame notes, check out the stats of the teams playing, get nosebleed tickets just to go, and thoroughly enjoy the action and excitement of the game. But, she will also try to get downstairs after a game, maybe find out where the players are staying or try to meet up with them with the intention of meeting them and talking the game of hockey with them."

Sherry has a theory that
"some puckbunnies actually know a thing or two about hockey itself, that's just not what attracts them to the game. I don't think you're puckbunny if you know a lot about the game, actually enjoy watching the games on all aspects and can actually have a discussion about it that doesn't dissolve into a comparison of who's better in bed." Putting aside the fact that "the bunnies think the fangirls are boring, and the fangirls think the bunnies are too horny/shallow to be interesting," (thanks Leanne), you might hear a conversation like this (thanks Finny):

Puck Bunny: "Why isn't HOTTIE on the ice? He's just so cute when he's skating around. I just want to _____ him."
Fangirl: "He's on the checking line and we're currently on the PP, so we got our snipers and playmakers out there with our offensive-minded D shooting from the point."
P.B.: "Oh, but look how sad he is on the side. Oh wait, who's that? He's got a nice arse! Someone pass him the ball... er, puck."
Fangirl: "He's on the other team."
P.B.: "I don't care, he looks hot. How much do they pay him?"
Fangirl: "He just signed as a UFA two summers ago for 3 years, 2 mil a year, but he suffered an injury early in the season and he was out four weeks. He's been in the lineup for the last two games, and he hasn't shown the impact he's capable of. I don't think he's 100% yet, and his TOI has been really limited."
P.B.: "So he gets paid a lot. That's hot. I want him."
Fangirl: "He's married with two kids, and I thought you wanted that guy."
P.B.: "Oh, yeah. How much does he get?"
Fangirl: "1.2 mil, but he is single, hot, and smoking on the ice. He's got 6 points in his last 4 games, and has a +12 rating overall."
P.B.: "Oh, I'll take the other one."

This example shows that "a puckbunny is someone who follows hockey like a groupie follows a band - they don't know the names of the songs or the history of the band, but they'll wait backstage for a glimpse (or more) of that hottie guitar player," and that, "a fangirl can appreciate the good-looking men that fill the NHL and may mention it from time to time. However, she can also tell you what icing is, knows what it means to "play outside the trapezoid", and truly loves the sport for what it is - only the greatest game ever." Thanks, Rebecca for that and for reminding us that it's the game that matters most.

Fangirls know that the game is number one and Margee thinks "that fangirls love everything about the game and puck bunnies just like one thing. Fangirls aren't just wooed by a pretty face. Fangirls are invested in a way that men can't understand. The personality of the player, the style of game, the leadership, it all plays into who one is a fangirl for. Fangirls love the game first, and tend to love the player who loves it in the way that she does. Fangirls pick and choose who they adore. A puckbunny will take anyone in a sweater. To the fangirl, a cute dude is just another variable that enhances being a fan, like loving the jersey of a particular team. It's just icing on the cake."

I am sure that there always has been puckbunnies and fangirls for every sport played on the earth, Karissa reminded me of that a puckbunny is "much like the skibunny, her focus is not on the sport itself, but rather on how she looks while participating/watching. Bunnies will have only a cursory knowledge of the activity they use to attract men, however they will have an extensive knowledge about their own hair, make up, and outfits." Jordi posted a while back about a documentary on footy chicks. I think this was the catalyst for starting the hlog, wanting to get the word out that female hockey fans are awesome and can hold our own while still having a good time.

Alana reminds us that it is not just girls who get crushes, "Puckbunnies have little to no interest in the game of hockey; they're only interested in having sex with or fantasizing about hockey players because they're, well, hot. And rich. Fangirls, on the other hand, love everything about hockey, which may or may not include the players' chiseled abs. Just as there are Fanboys who have man-crushes on certain players, there are Fangirls who have their own crushes. It doesn't mean they want to sleep with them." Crush is a just an informal synonym for infatuation: A foolish, unreasoning, or extravagant passion or attraction; A short-lived, intense and usually unrequited love, sexual attraction, or infatuation, as in, "I have a crush on Alex". Crushes are usually seen as insubstantial and even immature.

Jen passed on some great advice that she had received "from the woman who runs the site Femmefan.com. She said she "makes no apologies for mixing sex and sports, men do it all the time. Men can make comments about cheerleaders or female tennis players and their credibility as sports fans doesn't seem to be affected. We notice how cute or chiseled a player is and we're automatically labeled as 'puck bunnies' and it is assumed that we are only interested in the eye candy and know nothing about the game."

That piece of advice has stuck with me. Various thoughts crossed my mind when I had originally read the comment about this being a puckbunny blog and one was that maybe I should take a different approach to the way I write about the game, then I thought who cares? I like what I write, I've got some great fans, and if you don't like it, don't read it. There's a whole Internet out there.

Thanks to my hloggers for rallying around me at that strange time. Your support means a lot and I'm hoping we can actually change the way fangirls are perceived through our individual blogs and the hlog.

32 other crazy people:

margee said...

Baby, anyone gives you crap again and you let me know. I know karate. This fangirl will put a hater in the ground if he steps to you.

Baroque said...

Thanks for the fine description of the distinction. As a female fan of both hockey and baseball for many years, I have sometimes encountered the same "what do you know, you're just a girl" attitude. A couple guys actually broke up with me after a couple of dates when they found out I knew more about baseball than they did. Although if their manhood is that fragile, and based on knowing more about sports than a girlfriend, they don't even come close to meeting my standards! (I suppose they were tweaked because it was already pretty clear who was the smarter one, and sports knowledge was the only possible superiority they could claim.)

The Acid Queen said...

Oh, I still get the puckbunny smack dropped on me whenever I school a guy at the RBC or on some message board. It'll never die, never--you just have to learn to roll your eyes and move on...

...and throw it back in their faces the next time they talk about how hot one of the ice girls happens to be. :D

Rebecca said...

Great job - on behalf of all us fangirls out there, I appreciate you setting the record straight! And if we want to say a man is hot, we're darn well going to say he's hot. Men certainly invented the practice...

toto hockey said...

I didn't even know there were distinctive names for real female hockey fans (fan girl) and females who check out the athletes at the games (puckbunny). Thanks for clarifying this for me.

When I go to hockey games, no one's ever called me anything. Men have simply glanced and I understood their looks: 'she doesn't know anything, maybe she's here for a guy'. Once play begins begins and my grasp of the game is shown through outward yells, they get it... I'm there because I love hockey.

I used to comment on the good looking players, but I don't do it anymore since the players could be my kids (Gretzky's my age and I said plenty of nice things about his playing and his looks).

Keep up your blog.

Zanstorm said...

Great post Ice!
But let me be honest..
I like your clarification of the difference between fangirl and puckbunny, and obviously some people are narrow-minded enough that they need that clarification.
Mostly guys, yes it's true.
Personally, when I read a blog by a female blogger who talks about hockey player hotness, the first thought that comes to my head is 'puck bunny' as well. Her hockey knowledge comes second. Not saying you ARE a PB, just that it's my reaction.
I will skip past the article, or the blog entirely.
In a guy's mind, or mine at least, hearing about a hot hockey player irks me, not because of security reasons, but because it takes away from the game as I know it. As a guy, I percieve hockey players as warriors, not sex objects. I don't want to read though a paragraph about how hot Alex Tanguay is, for example, before the post gets around to his stats or status. I'll just skip the whole thing.
What I am really trying to say is: are you trying to appeal to a female audience only? Or mostly? Why limit yourself?
I think that generally most male and female bloggers should (if they want maximum traffic and credibility) appeal to both.
I'm not judging you. I like your hockey knowledge. But when you, or any other female blogger talks about hot guys, I won't read through it.
What else am I supposed to do?

By the way, if a guy dumps a girl because she has more hockey knowledge than he does...he is pathetic and fragile indeed! I love it when women love and understand the game!

Hockeygirl, or anyone, let me know what you think.

Jordi said...

I'd like to add that some people on forums think I'm a 7 foot angry black man who will crash into their house and mug their PC off their sorry asses because of the things I say on some forums. I picked Jordi mainly because it's a very ambiguous name. More often than not, I'm thought of as a male, skinny, fat, nerdy or a dumbass, I get the credit of being taken as what I can say. It's a bit anti-femme of me sure but it's what I've had to do to get my point across. I feel happy that I can rebutt a message like "Do you just watch a couple of games and think you know hockey?" with comments that don't reference my gender.

That aside. Make those fuckers pay. I'm sorry but no one hurts mah sistah!

To be honest, I don't think many female bloggers really limit their audience when they post on looks zan. Male readers may not feel the same giddy feeling about certain players' looks but they do have the same excitement with some players. You don't have to agree with the whole post, but each single post will have one line where you can go "yeah." Again, males love gossip as much as anyone else, my sister quit her mixed baseball team because of a) the male pigs and b) the male pigs who gossiped about "that really butch girl" or "you know" every second possible.

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Rebecca said...

Zanstorm (and any other males out there): I think that we among the female hockey bloggers understand that some men may not want to read about which players are hot (no matter how infrequently such comments may come up). That being said, I don't necessarily want to read about hockey on some guy's blog that features gratuitous pictures of scantily-clad females on it, either, but it happens - and on some of the more prominent hockey blogs, might I add. I've learned to turn a blind eye because the content is stronger than the image. Using the same thought process, then, the fact that we appreciate a certain player's physical appeal shouldn't diminish what we say.

thehockeychick said...

Awesome post, hockeygirl =) Everyone seems to have the same interpretation of a fangirl and puckbunny. After your request for input, I wrote my own post on a somewhat similar point.

As for zanstorm's comments, I understand how a guy wouldn't want to necessarily read through some chick sweatin' over some player's looks to find relative information on him. That's why I try to distinguish my posts between female-directed commentary (more for the girls) and general commentary. Or if I want to put something about a player's looks, I'll sneak it in in parentheses or something, but not dedicate the whole post to it. But even if a female blogger wants to do so, it's her right. And just as we're ok with the choice to read through some content about the hot chick on the ice throwing t-shirts or the hot chick sitting next to you in Section 108, you should be ok with the choice to read about what an awesome game it was the other night and OMG did anyone else notice how hot the backup goalie to Dominik Hasek is? Because it's all about the choice to read or not to read. But if you're going to be unsatisfied with the content, don't complain about it. Just don't read it.

hockeygirl said...

I purposely didn't comment all weekend just to see what would transpire and look at all you! I am so glad that people took the time to read and then comment.
margee: Thanks sista.
baroque: Thanks for commenting.
aq: Exactly.
toto: Thanks for commenting.
zan: I write for me first. Then my friends who 'get' it. Then everyone else. If you like it, read it. If you don't, there's a whole internet out there. I think Jordi, Rebecca and Colleen all said what I would say, no need to repeat.
Jordi: you're right on giving the whole post a chance, maybe there will a bit of knowledge you didn't know before.

Again, thanks to all for the input and the comments.

Jen Z said...

GREAT post, Kriste. There are lots of us who love what you write...so please don't change just because of a few people who were too quick to judge you!

Anonymous said...

BRAVO. You did an amazing job putting together all the thoughts and responses of the HLOG team, and tossing in your own experience, Hockeygirl.

Zanstrom, I think for the most part, a lot of us try to direct our posts to a general audience. I know, personally, I try to keep my drool to a minimum and often I'll label my posts with something like my catergory of Off Topic. Though most, if not all, of those posts are hockey and Ducks related, some of it isn't as directly game-related as the rest of my posts (i.e. Meeting the Players talks about my experience meeting/greeting/getting autographs from some of the players; Rat Out the Bad Roomie is in reference to an intermission interview that pointed out my favorite "hottie" as the Worst Roommate and how I'm like him in that respect; other posts talk about the signs I've made and how they were recieved by the players; and my "Hottie of the Month" award looks at three specific areas of a Ducks' game: how they PLAY (geared for the men & women, moreso the men who love their numbers and the women who care), what makes them ATTRACTIVE whether or not they actually are (for the women), and PETTY DETAILS for those little things that deal with a player's production/personality/community service/commentary/jokes/whatever-I-want.)

I can understand the skipping of posts that are straight, "omg, he's so hott", but I'm not sure that one parenthetical comment or even a sentence or two about how adorable a player looked at some point would be the end-all for reading the entire post. Like my sister-commenters indicated, there's probably a gem of info in there despite a few scattered comments on a good lookin' player. Now, if you're reading blogs by younger, teenage girls, you're a little more likely to run into that "omg, he's so hot" post than you would on fangirls who are highly knowledgable about their teams/the game/the abilities of their players. I remember being 14 and every other sentence out of my mouth was "OMG, Paul Kariya is so hott!" and that was the extent of my hockey talk. Of course, I've grown (and changed my opinion of the former Duck captain) since then, but my point is, a fangirl - despite possibly including a little bit of the "omg he's hott" commentary - would still, above all, talk about the game.

But, like everyone else before me also said, you are more than free to read what you want and to skip what you want. If you're really turned off by the "he's hott" thing, then we understand completely that other male fans may choose to not read our blogs based on that... and hey, maybe we'll suffer that god-awful title of "Puck Bunny". The point is, I'm very proud that for the most part, none of us fit that category.

=D

It's nice when guys at the game, who may initially look at me and think "puck bunny", eventually come 'round to the Truth: I. AM. A. FANGIRL.

P.S. Since it's so hard to convey tone in writing, I want to make it absolutely crystal clear that I am not rebutting your comments, Zan, just a friendly reply back. =) and, there might be some grammatical/spelling errors in this because I'm too tired to go back and read what the heck I just wrote! So, I hope it was nothing short of brilliant.

Zanstorm said...

"zan: I write for me first. Then my friends who 'get' it. Then everyone else."

Look at me, I stepped into a lion's den. Hey, if that's what you do and why and who you write for, then GOOD! I'm not saying that is bad. I was challenging and questioning you about what audience you are trying to target. Now I know.
I'll be honest..if I was superfascinated with women's hockey, and that is all I wrote about, there is absolutely no doubt I would throw the hotness factor out there. I'm not judging you, HockeyGirl. The people who I feel like judging are the ones who snap at me in retaliation to something I said because I really don't think I was rude. I was honest.
And to be honest still, I drop by your site from time to time regardless of what you say. I am not that over sensitive, really. I enjoy your content and skip the hot guy stuff.
Finny, thanks, and I agree with all you said.
To all the other ladies as well, I think we are all in agreement for the most part.

hockeygirl said...

zan: I wouldn't say you stepped into a lion's den. I would say you stepped into a fangirl's den where we are all passionate about the game and are just making sure you know that we are FANGIRLS. I'm happy you commented, I believe you are the only male who did so kudos to you. I mean, you had to expect the comments back and no other guy was apparently brave enough to drop a line.

Finny: That might be the longest comment EVER.

Jen: Don't worry, I'm not changing.

Anonymous said...

hockeygirl - do I get an award for the longest comment EVER? =D hahaha...

Anonymous said...

Ok so you defined what a fan girl is and what a puckbunny is and I totally agree with what everyone is saying, but I am curious to see how you all would define an Ice Girl?

DC Sports Chick said...

Nice job- very well said.

hockeygirl said...

Anon: If by IceGirl you mean those cheerleaders at the games? Do you mean in general? I would have to say the whole idea of an IceGirl is lame. The fact that people need incentives to cheer and make noise is a little weird. I prefer to decide on my own when to cheer, thanks.

Since I don't know any IceGirls and haven't been to a game where there are any, I would have to guess that 1. they are there because it's their job, or 2. they are PBs who think that they can get closer to the players, or 3. they are lucky fangirls who are cute (but I'm doubting that one).

Does this answer your question? Feel free to email me if you want to discuss further.

Anonymous said...

Man I have to say Just how much I adore this post! It puts perfectly what i've been trying to explain for so long. Over here I don't have as of an issue as it's not as big of a sport and out of all the people who actually play the sport here, I'm up there as one of the most NHL knowledgable so I've never really had the whole you're just in it for the guys deal.

I have however spent 5 years as the sole girl on a district and now a state team and have had the fair fight with the whole girls can't play/understand/watch deal.

You put everything just right!

Dave said...

I like the Ice Girls! I would love to have a job where I could go to NHL games for free! I'm not sure if I would place them in the fangirl or the puckbunny catorgory though... I'm sure there is a mixture of both.
I know alot of the Ice Girl squads (would you call it a squad? hah) have strict rules against fraternizing with players in the NHL, it's not tolerated at all. I know Boston Bruins Ice Girl Kristen Brady, recently got released from the Bruins when it was said she was dating one of the B's. She also has been linked to Washington Capitals Alexander Ovechkin. But hey! I guess if your gonna get fired over dating a player Ovechkin would be the guy to pick! hah hah hah

Anonymous said...

Honestly... the ice girl thing is awesome. Its the fan girl's big chance. I know a girl who is an Ice girl for the Bruins and has been the beggest fan forever. Every girl in their right mind checks out the guys a little. not a crime. but when you love the game, the atmosphere, and the team... there is nothing wrong with getting paid for it. Also, every other male aport in the entire world has cheerleaders... what makes ice hockey any different??

Anonymous said...

What Ice Girl do you know from the Bruins that is a big fan? Because I know they're all pretty clueless on the sport of hockey and most of them couldn't name 5 players on the team.

Anonymous said...

I would just like to state that as a close friend of one of the boston bruins ice girls that the majority of the girls on the team are actually huge "fangirls" as you call them, and absolutley love the sports of hockey. these girls are life long skaters and hockey fans who are lucky and cute enough to get paid to cheer for the bruins. dont hate on them because your jealous : )

Anonymous said...

Not to mention they are asked to name 3 or 5 players in their interviews...you obv don't know any of them or you would know that

Anonymous said...

Haha I'm pretty sure I know alllll of them way better then you do. You have no clue what you are talking about.

smash771 said...

Even though this is an old entry, I just came across it. I have to completely agree! I have recently gotten into hockey but I have been a die-hard football and baseball fan for as long as I can remember (I'm currently 23). *Currently watching the Rays not make as specatacular a show as last night's 10-7 score against the Yankees* I tend to know more than the guys I date which has caused me to not be in relationships very long, and I refuse to date a fan of a rival team. But I love the game for the game, the players themselves are an added bonus. One of my first memories was watching Barry Sanders score a TD against the Bucs when I was five. When I admit that to a guy, he automatically makes a crack about how I probably had a crush on him, even though I was five at the time. There is nothing like being at Florida Field during a Gator home game and seeing how pumped the players get and watching them do the chomp. Or being at Ray-Jay and hearing the canons blast when the Bucs score a TD. I hope to one day understand and love the game of hockey just as you girls, and guys. It's sad that as fangirls we are constantly having to defind our love and knowledge of sports!

Michelle said...

Thank you so much for this blog entry! There are many times I've had people call me a "puck bunny", not understanding the distinction between puck bunny and fangirl. Yes, I occasionally admire the players (who wouldn't, some of them are damned fine), but I also know more about the game than the majority of my male friends!

ducKy Boyd said...

After a bit of fandom mindless surfing on the Net, I ran into this post of yours, AS I was watching the hockey highlights from last night's game (Leafs vs. Isles - my boys in Blue won 8-1!) and I just wanted to say that this was a pretty brilliant post, and I have thoroughly enjoyed it. I consider myself a fangirl, and I get my share of "puckbunny" comments - however, I have to admit, I have my puckbunny moments. I'll get caught up in a girly moment and start to gush a little too enthusiastically about a player's "hotness". I indulge in the occasional fantasy about meeting a player, but they're usually pretty tame - mostly about becoming uber friends with him. :)
I used to be pretty ignorant about hockey until my high school guy friends educated me, and now I can proudly say I know more about the sport and the industry than they do!
Anyway, great post, thanks!

bill said...

liking hockey because of the cute players is acceptable. hteir are actually women out there who like hockey for the bral fights.. sick

Red Grace said...

Soooo, I don't know if you'll ever see this comment, but I just wanted to throw it out there, just in case/for the record.

My best friend and I have been following HLOG, pretty much since its inception, and it was through the links that I came to find this entry. See, I had my doubts about how complete a "I am NOT a friggin' puck bunny already!" definition could be… but dear LORD, thank you!!!

As a perma-student, I've been surrounded by boys and hockey and keggers and all sorts of good things for a few years now, but I still find that along with all of that good stuff still comes the bad "Ohhh, you just think the players are hot, don't you?!" comments. Bah humbug, I say! Bah humbug to the point of where I was recently at a party where about 40 randoms started some stupid "GO LEAFS GO!" chant for no reason, and I managed to out-yell them with a "GO SENS GO!" of my own, followed by some pretty in depth conversations as to goaltending situations, other team stat comparisons, and why Daniel Alfredsson playing on the "second" line does NOT have to be considered a disgrace. (Ummm, it's called "depth" and "versatility" and "awesomeness", my darling Leaf fan friends.) Anyway, in the end, while I won over quite a few shocked boys, I still couldn’t believe the lack of faith that they had in me to begin with! All because I happened to also know which players were married or single too! Crrrrrripes. It’s an all-around passion, as you so clearly state.

Anyway, the end point that I wanted to make here is that YES, I find many players attractive... but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate a solid deke, a great break out pass, or a damn good fight. And I appreciate all of this without having all of the "junk down there" that so many of the male species seems to consider as a prerequisite for hockey fanaticism.
*whew* lol – Thanks for letting me vent. Keep up the amazing work. I'd refer you (all) to any of my friends any day. :)

Randy Charles Morin said...

CBC has a TV series on puckbunnies
http://www.screendoor.org/press/view/18